tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9009004.post2865326864875582924..comments2023-10-17T03:19:48.859-07:00Comments on A Liberal Defence of Israel: The Land of MordorDenishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05674063273157934670noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9009004.post-1710049712800820102010-11-10T18:11:28.917-08:002010-11-10T18:11:28.917-08:00It is a fact that Israel has risen from the ashes....It is a fact that Israel has risen from the ashes. "Israel Returns" search it out and believe it!Stevenhttp://www.israelreturns.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9009004.post-24353489820477631612010-06-05T08:28:28.945-07:002010-06-05T08:28:28.945-07:00Israeli forces have never yet begun systematically...Israeli forces have never yet begun systematically trying to exterminate Palestinians on the timescale of a few years with gas chambers.<br /><br />They have done everything short of that though - from indisrcimate shelling of entire towns and refugee camps, to shooting Palestinians as young as 9 years old in the head with sniper rifles for crimes such as throwing stones, protesting against attacks on Gaza - or often for no reason at all; to reducing the entire population of Gaza's food and medicine rations to a quarter of what it requires according to UN figures, resulting in growing malnutrition and an increase in the rates of stunted growth among children; to shooting entire families as they try to leave the zone of an Israeli assault while waving white flags.<br /><br />The Israeli government does not recognise the right of a sovereign, independent Palestinian state to exist and never has. The Oslo Accords allowed only for a series of Apartheid style townships in which Israeli forces could arrest and hold any Palestinian at any time, without trial ; but Palestinian Authority officials and police could not arrest any Israeli, no matter what they had done in their territory. <br /><br />The Accords allowed continued Israeli settlements inside the West Bank and these and Israeli military forces would split the various pockets of Palestinian territory from one another.<br /><br />Nor would the Palestinian Authority (not a state) have more than a tiny fraction of the water supplies and farmland of the West Bank, which continue to be annexed today one piece at a time at gunpoint by Israeli forces, with Palestinian homes demolished and any resistance or complaint met with summary execution or jail.<br /><br />I wonder what Holocaust survivors would have made of watching this kind of behaviour? We know that many who had great humanity before their suffering, like Primo Levi, did not lose it as a result - and were greatly critical of actions like Begin's invasion of Lebanon in the 80s and the many war crimes committed in it.<br /><br />The current Israeli government is headed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, whose party's 2009 election platform "flatly rejects" any Palestinian state "West of the Jordan" , saying any "self-rule" for Palestinians will not be permit an "independent or sovereign" state - and that Israelis must be allowed their "inalienable right" to settle "Judea and Samaria" (the Israeli Jewish religious fundamentalist term for the West Bank adopted by Israeli governments) and Gaza.<br /><br />So please drop the pretence that Israel's government and military are morally superior to Palestinian leaders and armed or terrorist groups - they're not.<br /><br />Stop pretending Hamas has always refused to negotiate when it offered to repeatedly before "operation cast lead" killed 1,400 Palestinians, at leat half civilians, supposedly to stop Palestinian rockets that had killed a handful of Israelis - and managed to actually increase rather than reduce rocket fire out of Gaza as a result.<br /><br />Hamas has an armed wing guilty of targeting civilians ; the Israeli government has an armed wing known as the IDF, equally guilty of targeting civilians - and killing far more of them with its massively greater armaments.<br /><br />Only negotiations without preconditions, like those in the past with Jordan and Egypt, have any chance of ending the deaths caused by both sides - and at the end of those negotiations, for them to have any chance of success, the Israeli government will have to offer Palestinians either their own sovereign independent state in 95% of the West Bank and Gaza, or else give Palestinians and Israeli Arabs citizenship in a single state in which Jews and non-Jews, Arabs and non-Arabs are equal citizens.calgacushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18253675072578015749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9009004.post-2615788433942895762010-06-05T08:28:09.039-07:002010-06-05T08:28:09.039-07:00Denis MacEoin wrote "What we have instead is ...Denis MacEoin wrote "What we have instead is Israel itself. Whatever its flaws, it's a healthy country. It stands for values like democracy, freedom, human rights, and a balance between secularism and religion. Set beside its neighbours, it stands out. Good amidst evil may be overstating it. But it needs to be recognized for what it is: a land that promotes good and stands against evil."<br /><br />You start off claiming you're not using a fantasy with a simple, clear divide between good and evil as your explanation of Israel-Palestine. Then you repeatedly claim that it is as simple as Israel "promoting good" and "standing against evil" - and that "it's clear which way the horses of the Rohan are riding".<br /><br />JRR Tolkein would be sickened by your attempt to use his work for incredibly one sided political propaganda.<br /><br />The One Ring represents power in the Lord of the Rings - being moral involves rejecting absolute power because it corrupts.<br /><br />There are many crimes against innocent people and much extremism on both sides in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, though more by Israel for the simple reason that Israel is massively armed and funded by foreign powers and so massively more militarily powerful than the Palestinians, who, even with all their allies in the middle east, present no serious threat to Israel (still less it's US superpower ally).<br /><br />I have no way of knowing how Tolkein would have viewed the Israeli-Palestinian conflict today, but my own view is that the Israeli government and military have adopted ruthless use of force to promote the interests of one nationality over others, at any cost in the lives of others - which is the same attitude that began inter-war Germany's slide.calgacushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18253675072578015749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9009004.post-9833462679864523102010-01-27T19:08:18.094-08:002010-01-27T19:08:18.094-08:00I think you misread. I meant the Islamic supremaci...I think you misread. I meant the Islamic supremacist group the Muslim Brotherhood was established before 1948. This was a rebuttal to the previous poster's argument that Israel was to blame for Islamic terrorism.<br /><br />I know Israel existed before Arab imperialism. I am very much aware of Arab Imperialism as my former husband is an Algerian Berber who sees himself as separate from the ruling Arabs. He also saw the brutality of the Islamists first hand when he fought in the Algerian civil-war.<br /><br />I also see Israel as a light unto the nations, and I view the Jews as the original anti-imperialist. With you being Hindu I know you understand this as India was subjugated by Islam and the West, and still managed to retain it's original identity. India is also the world's largest democracy who, as I believe, is on the side of angels in this battle against Islamic-fascism.<br /><br />Jai Hind!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9009004.post-43799528009852008312010-01-20T21:42:34.402-08:002010-01-20T21:42:34.402-08:00"Established decades before Israel"?! WH..."Established decades before Israel"?! WHAT?!?!? Israel is over 3000 years old! I just don't understand this! Is this sort of rhetoric "Taqiyya"? Israel is ANCIENT! What is wrong with this nut job world?! What about History? Archaeology? Empirical Science?! TRUTH?! They talk about Israel like it never existed before 1948!!!!! WHAT?! At any rate this post is absolutely awesome and as a Hindu who completely agrees with it I could not have said it better myself....EVER! Israel IS Gondor! Minas Tirith! If Islam's opposition fails then these nut jobs shall receive barbarity as per their karma. Israel IS the light house and these nut jobs are S-C-A-R-Y!!!!!!<br />What an awesome blog post!!!!!!!Arjuna Fannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9009004.post-58236523169187043142010-01-02T11:26:43.096-08:002010-01-02T11:26:43.096-08:00Mr MacEoin care to explain why Israel uses archaic...Mr MacEoin care to explain why Israel uses archaic Ottoman laws to evict people? Care also to explain how for some strange reason...those poor evictees tend not to be jewish?<br /><br />Or how about the annexation of east jerusalem? Or what about, the house demolitions? Or how about the rather strange marriage laws?RepublicanStonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9009004.post-63626253087493301502009-12-19T06:16:35.535-08:002009-12-19T06:16:35.535-08:00Interesting story you got here. It would be great ...Interesting story you got here. It would be great to read more about this matter. Thanks for sharing that material.<br />Sexy Lady<br /><a href="http://www.secret-agent.co.uk/busty_escorts_london.html" rel="nofollow">Busty escort London</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9009004.post-14929359031831153842009-12-02T14:54:15.561-08:002009-12-02T14:54:15.561-08:00wow, yeah actually anyone with a slither of intell...wow, yeah actually anyone with a slither of intelligence would be able to tell you that the people who are "evil" in this conflict are none other than the Israelis. You're right, it must be terrifying for Israelis to have to get rocks thrown at them as opposed to the massive manslaughter and violent acts against humanity the palestinians have to endure in THEIR OWN COUNTRY from colonialists who think they have the right to go into a country that already had its own people and force them out. yeah, we get it, the holocaust was a HORRIBLE thing anyone who says otherwise is messed up in the head, however i find it quite ironic that the very people who endured such tragedy turned around and did the SAME thing and still are doing the same thing to Palestinians today. It is genocide, no matter what you say or how you try to sugar coat it, although I don't see how you could but it is quite easy to twist things around as it is evident that you do so throughout your blog. I can't believe you even have the audacity to go into another country, try and take it as your own, try and justify your actions, and then ONTOP of that try and make out the Palestinians to be the "terrorists" for fighting back. that is just sick and twisted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9009004.post-44950271657927994372009-09-06T11:24:17.858-07:002009-09-06T11:24:17.858-07:00I agree with every wordI agree with every wordAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com